Saturday, 24 November 2007

I shouldn't even be mentioning it, but...

...proof that some people need some time out of the ivory tower:

from http://demonista.livejournal.com/23210.html?thread=101802#t101802
Once again I am in total agreement with you Demonista. S & M adherents over the last few years have been contriving to legitimise their pathetic, childish (and dangerous) practices in the eyes of people who are striving to bring an end to the capitalist system of production and distribution; they have even gone to the extent of formulating wanky theories about transgressing the boundaries of bourgeios morality. The simple answer to them is that they themselves are indulging in activities which only serve to re-enforce the dominant/submisive relationship between the ruling and working classes. Working-class women suffer enough pain and humiliation doing shitty jobs for even shittier wages without having to come home to whips, clips, chains and nipple clamps.
Unlike gay persons, S & M adherents are not oppressed because of their lifestyle, nor do they pose any threat to bourgoise hegemony. What really gets up their rubber knickers is the fact that the majority of people who are active in trying to bring about a truly free, democratic, peace-promoting, egalitarian society, see them as nothing more than a bunch of neo-fascists. Long may it remain so.
Honey, if you lean THAT hard on Marx, your crutch is gonna split in two. You might want some stronger assistive devices. Or a bit more brain exercise of your own.

I love how "bourgeois hegemony" the phrase really means, y'know, the oppression of the working class, but it gets made into the snootiest, most academic phrase ever. It's an interesting twist.

DEAR THEORY KIDLETS: I have a call for you from Reality on line two. Reality would especially like you to note that there are, in fact, gay sadomasochists.

Reality also notes that you have a flair for insulting language. Have you considered phone domming?

And "have to" come home to nipple clamps? I'd love to know what planet these people are living on, where dumping your top in annoyed exasperation is somehow not an option.

Oh wait, er, *ahem* *straightening up* Disregard that. I'm so top I've never been dumped.

NONE CAN DEFY ME! ALL SHALL TASTE MY WRATH! *cartoon villain cackle*

14 comments:

belledame222 said...

wow.

Lisa Harney said...

I really want that to be satire, because it totally could be.

Trinity said...

I don't think it is, Lisa, but you're right. It so sounds like it. WHAT

Trinity said...

also, the constant misspelling of bourgeois just lends it added charm. I TAKE THIS SHIT SO SERIOUSLY I CAN'T SPELL IT!

mark said...

If that wasn't from so long ago, both it and the OP would be one for dot_bdsm_snark (actually I'm surprised mad anti-sm-feminist rants don't get linked there more often...)

As if most SMers give a damn about anti-capitalism anyway. I apologise that my evidently politically incorrect sex life doesn't exemplify someone's idea of a social-economic vision.

(As a non-oppressed middle class male with a well paid job, where does that leave me? By putting on nipple clamps, am I supporting the violence inherent in the system?)

I love the bit where he says S&Mers are viewed as neo-fascists by "people who are active in trying to bring about a truly free, democratic, peace-promoting, egalitarian society", by which he presumably means him and his revolutionary mates. Oh noes, S&M has a bad name against anarchists! (Which I doubt anyway, knowing SMers who are also anarchists.)

It's people with his views who are more likely viewed as fascists - sad as a whole, because anarchism is still a valid concept in its own right (even if I disagree with it) and doesn't deserve the bad name it has - but ignorant and abusive people like him give everyone a bad name.

alterisego said...

I feel bad for anarchism/socialism/communism/etc, being so abused by that person.

Myca said...

Reality would especially like you to note that there are, in fact, gay sadomasochists.

Well, and since leather culture ORIGINATED in gay culture, you're not just whistling dixie.

Lisa Harney said...

Okay, probably not satire. I'm feeling serious deja vu here. Almost like... I've written in response to these arguments before.

belledame222 said...

someone apparently took "you have nothing to lose but your chains" a tad too literally

Trinity said...

"Well, and since leather culture ORIGINATED in gay culture, you're not just whistling dixie."

Yeah. I love it when *radicals* are heterosexist in the extreme, don't you?

mark said...

It reminds me how once on a LiveJournal BDSM community, some straight person came along telling us how SMers should stop worrying about things, because gay people are oppressed so more more than SMers, and therefore, this meant that SMers have no right to complain at all about anything, ever.

So, not only ws this person who decided to "enlighten" us straight, but many of those he was criticising were gay (or bi).

And when pointed out small things like SM being illegal (or some images soon to be illegal), he responds along the lines that that's rightly the case - it's not uncommon for SMphobes to hide their prejudice behind a shield of "But I'm supporting gay people!"

Trinity said...

"It reminds me how once on a LiveJournal BDSM community, some straight person came along telling us how SMers should stop worrying about things, because gay people are oppressed so more more than SMers, and therefore, this meant that SMers have no right to complain at all about anything, ever."

Yep. That kind of thing is what led to my "Oppression" post.

EthylBenzene said...

"It reminds me how once on a LiveJournal BDSM community, some straight person came along telling us how SMers should stop worrying about things, because gay people are oppressed so more more than SMers, and therefore, this meant that SMers have no right to complain at all about anything, ever."

Ah, yes, the ol' "but there's so much more IMPORTANT causes out there!" line. Blah. I'm sick of that one. Can't these people find some new arguments?

Reality is obviously not that important to a lot of people, since they clearly never pick up the phone when Reality is a-callin. Reality must get really lonely with all these people avoiding its calls, hiding behind the couch when it comes over, and crossing the street when they see Reality walking down the sidewalk.

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