reposted from a comment of mine here:
Dw3t-Hthr: "And I'm just kinda going, "Uh, force is force. It doesn't have balls or tits."
Moi, somewhat extended from original:
well there IS cultural encoding to that effect, and the cultural encoding isn't something BDSMers are immune to.
eh. which goes back to the whole "how do we root out the sexism in BDSM" kinda thaaaaaaang
Except, you know: should we really be wasting our time on these people?
Not feminist orthodoxy to say it but: do we REALLY CARE?
does some dom who thinks he's ubermensch really MATTER TO FEMINISM?
on a radfem/radfemlike view, yeah, because the more of them there are the more likely there's the conglomerate that shames/diminishes other forms
but y'know, i'm leery of that whole idea that some anti-SM feminists have that what some members of an already small sexual subculture do... means something hyooj.
much more likely that The Pat has filtered down even to us than that we (supposed darlings o' th' Pat ourselves, to these folks) are making sexuality funked.
cos really? who are these people? and what do they MATTER unless we're a unit taking THEM on as a unit?
Eh. I think there are productive ways to, say, attempt to change The Face Of The Scene.
But I think a lot of what people notice isn't really a generality that means something so much as: y'know, many if not most heterosexuals have never thought about this shit. F/m people maybe, but you still get occasional pockets of, say, "Dominant women shouldn't be too masculine" or "Dominant women are weak if they get fucked" (lovely catch-22!) and such crap.
so rather than considering them Das Problemm, maybe like I said the best thing to do is foster alliances with people who think differently
get 'em into some alternate environments
where, y'know, to really count in the community as Mr. Butch Uberdom, you have to compete with gay leather titleholders who could out-butch pit bulls... and who fuck submissive MEN